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Re: New Rig
Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 9:58 am
by TheYonderGod
Róka wrote:Okay, so for whatever reason, my receipt for my current computer specs doesn't have specifics on my HDD or PSU but here's the basic:
"Power Supply 800 Watt - Standard (I'm 98% sure it's this because of the model number:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6817342033
Oh, you said it was a Corsair PSU before :/
I found 1 review on that PSU and it said it was decent, (and if it's been working on with your current computer) so it
should be okay, I personally wouldn't trust it with close to 800w of load though, so if in the future you decide to get another GPU for SLI, upgrade your PSU too.
knorren wrote:4GB vs 2GB, ok this is how it is!
2GB cards = fast memory
4GB cards = slower memory
If you are playing in 1080p you will never need more than 2GB RAM, you can find that in any hardware forum. BF4 is the exception since there is a huge memory leak in it so it really doesn't matter what card you use until it's fixed.
Over 2GB RAM is used for 4K screens and if you get that screen you need a better graphics card or SLI anyway.
IMO 4GB is just a waste of money and performance!
I remade your last post Roka and edited some parts. If you don't like Asus graphics, then go for MSI but you have to go for the Twin Frozr in that case.
I noticed the card you had picked had the retail cooling, you don't want that if you have the computer in the same room as the screen, very noisy. The Asus DCU II cooling is one of the best on the market, shared with MSI's Twin Frozr.
In the 2-3 weeks I've had my card I've never even heard the fans on it, and then I have my case open atm.
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2mAWU
Get on TS some day I can explain more.
I've been building PCs since 1997.
I didn't even realize there were 2gb 770s. I reallly don't think it will make a difference at 1080p though.
Nope, the memory speeds are the same.
Annd nope, if he's planning on water cooling he needs to get a reference GPU. Though there are some reference PCBs with aftermarket coolers, but I don't have time to look them all up right now.
Re: New Rig
Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 3:25 pm
by knorren
o1oo1 wrote:knorren wrote:4GB vs 2GB, ok this is how it is!
2GB cards = fast memory
4GB cards = slower memory
im not seeing any cards where that is the case, can you show me some me some ?
e: you also changed the case, the one thing he was adamant on
Well I took the same as he had in his post, he can just change that if he wants!
I must have missed the watercooling part, I don't see a reason to do that though...
Re: New Rig
Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 5:00 pm
by Bock
Ok. 2GB vs 4GB of graphics memory: At this point in time, the only game I've seen that will use more than 2GB of VRAM at 1080p is Crysis 3, and that's only with the details maxed out and high levels of anti-aliasing. BF4 multiplayer might exceed that on some maps. When guru3d.com does game benchmarks, they usually include a section on video memory usage if you want a source. 2 gig cards and 4 gig cards have the same memory speed/bandwidth. One just has a larger buffer. So, the question is, do you need the larger buffer? At the kind of settings that require more than 2GB of memory, a single 770 just doesn't have the computing power to give you good framerates regardless of buffer size. If you do add in a second graphics card some day, then having some extra buffer might actually make a difference. So, do you think you'll actually add a second card? The people who plan to "some day" add a second card, who actually do end up adding a second card are in the minority. For most people, when they can actually afford a graphics upgrade, a more powerful, single card upgrade usually makes more sense. Only spring for the 4GB card if you're sure you'll pick up a second one in the future. And if you do, you'll probably also want a new PSU at that time, as others have said.
As for liquid cooling, unless you're a serious overclocker with the pockets and time to set up a custom water loop, you WILL get better value and possibly also better absolute performance with good aftermarket air cooling solutions.
Re: New Rig
Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 7:39 pm
by Róka
Bock wrote:Ok. 2GB vs 4GB of graphics memory: At this point in time, the only game I've seen that will use more than 2GB of VRAM at 1080p is Crysis 3, and that's only with the details maxed out and high levels of anti-aliasing. BF4 multiplayer might exceed that on some maps. When guru3d.com does game benchmarks, they usually include a section on video memory usage if you want a source. 2 gig cards and 4 gig cards have the same memory speed/bandwidth. One just has a larger buffer. So, the question is, do you need the larger buffer? At the kind of settings that require more than 2GB of memory, a single 770 just doesn't have the computing power to give you good framerates regardless of buffer size. If you do add in a second graphics card some day, then having some extra buffer might actually make a difference. So, do you think you'll actually add a second card? The people who plan to "some day" add a second card, who actually do end up adding a second card are in the minority. For most people, when they can actually afford a graphics upgrade, a more powerful, single card upgrade usually makes more sense. Only spring for the 4GB card if you're sure you'll pick up a second one in the future. And if you do, you'll probably also want a new PSU at that time, as others have said.
As for liquid cooling, unless you're a serious overclocker with the pockets and time to set up a custom water loop, you WILL get better value and possibly also better absolute performance with good aftermarket air cooling solutions.
2GB it is.
And yes, liquid cooling would be nice for CPU/GPU unless it's too expensive. In which case I'd rather spend the money on filling the Phantom with all the fans.
Also, keep in mind that although my current monitor is 1080, I probably will upgrade sometime next year.
Also BF4 isn't the only game I play, as I've said before.
Re: New Rig
Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2013 3:06 am
by Róka
I'd like it if ya'll can show up early to the battleday and help me finalize this
Re: New Rig
Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2013 2:06 pm
by Róka
Re: New Rig
Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2013 4:45 pm
by matsif
those are all solid choices from good companies, just pick the one with the best specs and run with it.
Re: New Rig
Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 2:34 am
by Róka
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2o6jh
Looks like this guys!
Probably buying tomorrow!
Re: New Rig
Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 3:57 am
by Shrapnel
Did you notice this?
G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2400 Memory operating voltage of 1.65V exceeds the Intel Ivy Bridge CPU recommended maximum of 1.5V+5% (1.575V). This memory module may run at a reduced clock rate to meet the 1.5V voltage recommendation, or may require running at a voltage greater than the Intel recommended maximum.
G. Skill, or someone else, probably offers a ~1.5V module for basically the same price. Running at voltages the components haven't been designed for can cause stability issues and possible damage.
Edit: Then again, it's DDR 2400 so I guess you intend to overclock since your board is only rated to 1600.
Re: New Rig
Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 8:03 am
by knorren
Well that's what I read when I picked my asus with the DCU II cooling, they got the clock to 1,3GHz without breaking a sweat because of the cooling, this made the case for me, Gold Award from Hard OCP, thats big in the computer world!
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2013/06/ ... _review/10
I believe the MSI Twin Frozr got the same result too, and so it did:
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2013/05/ ... _review/10
The only thing I can see in your rig that I might change is that cpu and motherboard, you have chosen LGA1155 and Intel Core i5-3570K, I would change that to LGA1150 motherboard and Intel Core i5-4670K cpu.
Why?
While the 3570K is a very good choice it's the 3rd generation Intel Core i5 with the LGA1155 socket, but the Core i5 4670K is the 4th generation, and it has better performance which is kinda obvious, newer is usually better.
The cpu is 50 cents more expensive.
What Shrapnel said about the memory, well it's the same with my Sandy Bridge cpu, 2500K.
With basic settings the memory runs in 1.5V and 1333MHz but when I apply the XMP setttings in bios they go up to their real speed and mine are rather old so they are only 1600MHz, but the voltage automatically goes to 1.65V.
Anyway, there are modules out there that can handle a higher clock with a lower voltage but they usually are more expensive too, I don't think you need to worry so much about it actually.
Re: New Rig
Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2014 3:24 am
by Róka
So everything's set except I can't find an in-stock GTX 770 Lightning:
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-video- ... 0lightning
the two listed are out-of-stock and I can't find anywhere to buy it
EDIT: how viable are these? or opinions y'know? if you have no idea as to where I can buy the Lightning or if they're selling again soon
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-v ... vn770oc4gd
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-video- ... 70tf4gd5oc
Re: New Rig
Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2014 6:25 am
by matsif
the only differences between these cards and the lightning that I'm seeing is that you're getting 2GB more VRAM with a .01 slower core clock speed and a slower "boost" clock speed. Neither card has a large enough memory bus to truthfully support 4GB of VRAM effectively unless you're planning on playing at 4k resolutions though. As always, MSI and Gigabyte are solid picks (the MSI card has literally the same cooling system on it, except the stripes are painted red, I've only heard good things about that Gigabyte cooling system).
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-v ... vn770oc2gd that is the same card as the Gigabyte you linked above, except in 2GB form, saving you about $50 or so.
Re: New Rig
Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2014 4:56 pm
by knorren
One of the reasons to get the MSI Lightning is for the cooling and OC capability, the same with the Asus DC II. Both have heatpipe cooling, are quiet and OC very well.
If you don't care so much about that, then go for the 4GB version, I think you will get satisfied with whatever GTX770 you go for actually, as long as you don't for stock/retail cooling because that is usually very loud (only one fan).
I haven't OCd my Asus GTX770 yet, no need for it but then I've never heard it even go up in rpm's either, actually I can't even hear it when playing BF4 for hours, but then I've aimed to get a quiet PC with isolated chassiparts, heatpipe cooled psu (zalman) and low rpm cpu fan!
I have this:
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-video ... 0dc2oc2gd5
Not the fastest from scratch but can easily be overclocked!