Reminder: Scrim 1 tomorrow

[Necromancer]

Playing with friends is always fun, but that what you do during the week on a public server.
I enjoy a challenge. It brings everything together. More complex strategies, tighter teamplay and higher discipline. And that leads to closer rounds and a 10 times better experience.

Lets take a look at the previews campaign for a moment:
1st battleday as good, 2nd battleday was good, 3rd battleday UL#7 lost all maps but the first, 4th battleday UL#7 lost all maps, 5th battleday UL#7 lost all maps, 6th battleday lost everything + surrender.

Lets count how many balanced battles there were last campaign... 2.
just 2 battles out of 5.5 battles were not a complete pubstomp.

I enjoy a challenge. When the outcome of a campaign is predetermined before the BFI or even the player draft, theres little challenge and its not a lot different then playing on a public server with your friends.
Hell its more likely to come across a more balanced round in pub play then in GC lately.

[StarfisherEcho]

Wait a minute. You're not in an army. Did you even play during the scrim?

Sitting on the sidelines heckling the people actually playing is simply unacceptable behavior. It's against every principle we have here and on top of that it's just plain bad form. Go join the team you think is going to lose and show them how it's done. There's your challenge for this campaign - teach people how to get better.

Throwing poo from the stands doesn't do anything for anyone.

[Di3for3v3r]

Lets take a look at the previews campaign for a moment:
1st battleday as good, 2nd battleday was good, 3rd battleday UL#7 lost all maps but the first, 4th battleday UL#7 lost all maps, 5th battleday UL#7 lost all maps, 6th battleday lost everything + surrender.

Yes, i agree with you in this part, but then the question is what is the problem, and how we solve it? I don't think that we are solving the problem here, we are just yelling the problems and our own thoughts, but at the end we need solutions !!


I suggest to list up the problems from all members, group them, and then see what this campaign is like. looking for more problems OR solutions.

like this

possible problems:
- bad strats
- not balanced army's
- alway's differend amount of members show they up or not ?? who knows ...
- too few members
- ...

possible solutions:
- (bad strats) Thats just the game and the army it's all about the strats and teamplay.

- (not balanced army's) i know every boddy, every level in welcome in GC and that has to stay, but we can give people some ranks ( could be by bf4 level/exp) that the live drafts are more balanced, even look who can play good with who and not just picking a name out of the members list.

- (alway's differend amount of members show they up or not ?? who knows ...): if people can't make it they can't we, we can not force them to be there, se we need more active members.

- (too few members): on this we are working on at this time our servers are public now, only we need to get all the members on TS when they are playing, more than 4 go to our server to populate it ! see my forum topics: viewtopic.php?f=309&t=25425
And also like today ( saturday) set the servers on private not friday evening or saturday morning, but do it 30 min befor our event starts see my forum topics: viewtopic.php?f=309&t=25427

- ...


and maybe we can clean up our memberslist, i know a friend on me joint the community but never played with us at all, he never read the forums ... He is probably not the only one, who is in there doing nothing ...

maybe a forum admin can make a "hot topic" on this so can start solving things !!

[Di3for3v3r]

Wait a minute. You're not in an army. Did you even play during the scrim?

Sitting on the sidelines heckling the people actually playing is simply unacceptable behavior. It's against every principle we have here and on top of that it's just plain bad form. Go join the team you think is going to lose and show them how it's done. There's your challenge for this campaign - teach people how to get better.

Throwing poo from the stands doesn't do anything for anyone.

yeah true but make it personally, on necro or someone els we are a community it's all of us or no one, and there is a problem, it's not communicated in the right way, by some people as i said up here

yelling the problems is easy

solving them thats the challenge !!

[StarfisherEcho]

We had this thread a while back. The "problem" is simple: the community is not as engaged as it was in the past. There's less activity, less sign ups, less everything since we swapped to BF4. People look back on some past campaigns and say, "Man that was fun when we all tried so hard to win, I wonder why it's not fun anymore".

But then the solution is very simple, isn't it? People have to try very hard to win. That's what makes the best campaigns. Generals on down, people giving their all makes for awesome play.

This campaign isn't even started yet, really, so it's very premature to say how it will turn out. If you're reading this post and dissatisfied with your army, and thinking, "man the good old days", I want you to go to your bathroom and look in the mirror. You are looking at the person with the power to make it good again. All the people who made those campaigns awesome were just players who decided to take it to the next level.

Sometimes we still got stomped, and even the "Best" campaigns were rife with drama. But now we look back on it fondly. Why is that? Because those were the campaigns where we put ourselves into it. It's not easy. You don't get a good campaign for free. It's hours spent looking at maps and posting strategies and working to get players engaged when they have a million other legitimate priorities. YOU DON'T NEED ANYONE ELSE TO DO THIS. Seriously. It can start with ONE person stepping up. If you're reading this, it can be you! It should be you! Don't wait on somebody else to make your life fun, just fraking do it.

I'm not on my motivational speaking game today, but there isn't any other solution.

[dan1mall]

#starfisher for president

[FisherMan9999]

I will give you two solutions:

1.Competitive AND EXPERIENCED GENERALS plus HC and Officers,who would like to fight to the very end.I don't mean to offend the current ones,I'm just talking in general.
2.Maybe we can have 2 different campaigns: one on BF4 and the other one on BF3. Both campaigns will be treated the same way.It sounds crazy,but if we want GC to prosper,we need to try every possibility.We will have reddit rushes.In addition,I think we should seek help from big youtubers aka JackFrags,FrankieonPC,LevelCap etc. I am completely aware,that this could be an overkill task,but this is the only way to restore the might of GC imo.

These are my suggestions.Feel free to add more to the list .

[Di3for3v3r]

I will give you two solutions:

1.Competitive AND EXPERIENCED GENERALS plus HC and Officers,who would like to fight to the very end.I don't mean to offend the current ones,I'm just talking in general.
2.Maybe we can have 2 different campaigns: one on BF4 and the other one on BF3. Both campaigns will be treated the same way.It sounds crazy,but if we want GC to prosper,we need to try every possibility.We will have reddit rushes.In addition,I think we should seek help from big youtubers aka JackFrags,FrankieonPC,LevelCap etc. I am completely aware,that this could be an overkill task,but this is the only way to restore the might of GC imo.

These are my suggestions.Feel free to add more to the list .

number 2 i'm also thought about that, i wasn't in GC when you Guy's played bf3 but if most of them liked it better and they are more in to it i say set up a vote and we change to BF3 all the way or we do them on 3 and 4

[Necromancer]

This campaign isn't even started yet, really, so it's very premature to say how it will turn out.

problem is we do know. If we didn't know we wouldn't have a problem would we?


Everyone being involved, posting strats and ideas is ideal. i would love to see that happen, unfortunately its also unrealistic.
Only way i see for the community to get more involved is for it to resonate slowly through the ranks from the top down.
If we continue down the road we are on, the community will only get more apathetic over time.

but i don't care that i'm in the winning or loosing army, you may put me everytime to the loosing army, at the end of every round knifes only ... I DON'T CARE

Thats exactly the problem. If people did care it would look different.

Apathy to the situation means not caring, because already gave up hope to change anything.
When you don't care you don't experience frustration. its all the same "fun" to you when you don't care.
The frustration and criticism is because i do care.

[elchino7]

I don't know where to start from since the problem is a bit complex. There are way too many variables and some of them are out of our hands. I'll divide it as best as i can. Also, i would post it here since its where the discussion is being hold ATM.

BF3:
We have several people fond with memories of this campaigns and i guess, specially, C4. But i'm confident that changing games isn't gonna solve anything. Since what made the campaign good wasn't the game rather than the people compromise with it.
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For those who haven't experience it, just look on the archives. Check the amount and quality of some threads.
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Numbers:
Simple. Theres little you can do when numbers are low. Plus, this just make any imbalance potentially increase. The further you go, personal skill is gonna matter more than what any teamwork could achieve.

"Pro/Tryhard", competitive players, compromise:
I would say there were enough "tryhard" players that anyone who was a bit competitive wanted to raise his skill level and compromise himself and his army to surpass any small skillgap through teamwork and tactics.

Nowadays it feels like theres little to none of the first group, theres no reason to be competitive nor it feels like theres any challenge for some people, therefore less compromise to do training, tactics, strategy.
This goes from General, to high command to soldiers.
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This is personal experience and opinion. But should i make a comparison to BF3:

Spoiler: show

-I've use to practice and know how to use each weapon. M16-M416-Aek-870-AN94-M4. How many bullets per burst or how to tap fire. >> Nowadays i just go Ace wathever.
-Tank mechanics and positioning on the map. >> I'll still retain the first but not the second one.
-Map positioning/knowledge or how to headglitch and cap/defend each flag >> Stay on flag and kill crap.
-Strats n tactics. We went from (not always but i remember we did so):
>>Improving initial spawn positions and the start of the game so we could get up to some points just a couple of seconds earlier.
>>More specific roles. Ex: get an MG on X/Y position to cover that lane and have Z guy on W so he can snipe the helicopter.
>>I personally miss those Karkand matches. Smoke train revives and big squad redeploys through SL who were hiding inside the IFV.

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State of the game:
This is a general problem. I had 15-30 people on my battlelog everynight playing the game. Nowadays it's just 3-7 at most. Eventhough the game is better, people lost faith and have gone to other games.

GC system/campaing:
People complain we play way too many times the same map? Once you have embrace playing for 3+ hours those Karkand grinds or 7rounds on stalemates fights inside the caves of Damavand Peak, you have my permission to complain about it.

Spoiler: show

Being serious, i would say there should be a more "creative" solution on trying to play all maps, mitigate the steamrolling rek train of the winning army, redraft of some players midcampaign*.

*You can't account on joining people to balance out skill, tactic, number gap. I guess that TAs might work up to some point but they should only be there for some eventual number drop, they will not save a decliving campaign. I don't want a never ending one, but i think that a minimum of 8 weeks (without counting Scrims n BFI) should be what we aim for.

[elchino7]

TL;DR
Realize there is a problem. Identify the cause. Find a solution.

1-Numbers.
I see you are trying to solve it, trying to get fresh blood, but i don't know if we are taking into consideration the cause. Why people are not staying or leaving

2-Campaign.
I think the system should be more flexible. Utopically it should be define by strat and tactis, not sheer skill gunfight/vehicle gap.