No unlocked weapons!!

[DaGrooved1]

People had a chance to vote and took it. Calling their decision stupid is equally stupid for me.

Fine, I'm stupid, but I'm still grumpy!


Rawr!

edit: Note, I was not calling their decision stupid, their decision was just their personal opinion and they are entitled to it as voteables, I just feel that unlocks themselves, and the problems they cause, are stupid. You anger me often.

[ph1l0r]

You must have been one of the minuscule minority (11 of 24) who voted against the unlocks in a vote where there were only two options:
"POE, SF, vanilla with unlocks" or "POE, SF, vanilla without unlocks".
It certainly would be frustrating if a near half of the voters got aced out of what they wanted because the rule was not '2/3 needed to pass' or somesuch.
It certainly would seem unfair if there was a third choice which drew a couple votes away from the main two and if the third choice had not been there those votes would have gone to the barely second place vote to make a win.
It certainly would be unfair if the vote for unlocks or not was combined with including POE or not as these are two separate issues.

You are twisting facts here and i don't like it. The way you present how the votes went is not only wrong but also unjust.

There has been a post in the votables one full week in advance detailing what i planned asking for comments. It was known before to voters that this will be a two step process. First vote was about which mod to adopt and thus called:

Mod or no mod for #7 Vote part 1

Here we go. Vote is running for one single week, ends next week Sunday my time (around 12:00 CET). The absolute majority of votes for one option will win it.

Which of these mods do you want to play next campaign with at Global Conflict?
Point of Existance 2 [ 9 ]
Operation Peacekeeper [ 0 ]
Project Reality Mini Mod [ 1 ]
None of those. Prefer BF2/SF (with unlocks/more customs/inf only to make it more interesting) [ 5 ]
Don't care. Ok with any option listed. [ 5 ]

I forgot the option that read "all mods" so people where "forced" to pick one mod or tick the "don't care" option (i know about one that voted don't care as he wanted a "all mods" options). Not a big deal to me. I extra included the statement that the absolute majority of votes will win the vote. Asking for a majority of 2/3 of all eligible voters would basically mean no change ever. Not even 50% of votables voted in any of the two votes. Sad but a reality.

The 2nd step was a vote to determine how we integrate the winner from vote one. Since Poe2 won all options included it. For completeness sake i listed Poe2 with Vanilla, Poe2 with SF and Poe2 with SF and Vanilla. Didn't want to miss a option again.

Vanilla and Special Forces (no personal unlocks) [ 6 ]
Vanilla and Special Forces (with personal unlocks) [ 13 ]
just Vanilla (no personal unlocks) [ 1 ]
just Vanilla (with personal unlocks)[ 3 ]
just SF (no personal unlocks) [ 0 ]
just SF (with personal unlocks) [ 0 ]
nothing. Poe2 only. [ 1 ]

I see nothing wrong with these two votes and procedures in a way that would allow anyone to imply they were wrong, stupid, misguiding etc. Stick to the facts and next time get involved _prior_ instead of _after_. To claim that 11 voters voted against Poe2 is just silly. If they really were they would have picked the "No mod option" and not don't care which five of them did. I wasn't very happy with the voteables process and there still is much to improve but i say i worked around the biggest problems we have had in the past by announcing votes a week in advance, stating clearly for how long a vote will run and by which criteria the winning option will be determined.

[ph1l0r]

edit: Note, I was not calling their decision stupid, their decision was just their personal opinion and they are entitled to it as voteables, I just feel that unlocks themselves, and the problems they cause, are stupid. You anger me often.

Sorry. I obviously misunderstood your previous statement. Lets blame it on the language barrier ;-)

[DaGrooved1]

Lets blame it on the language barrier

It's my accent isn't it .

[MadRat]

the way i am reading these posts that means GC is no longer

a fair play community if thats the case i think i will find somewhere else to play.


unlocks for all or only those who have unlocked thier own weapons

while pubbing on ranked servers.

be carefull how you answer you might lose some members.


as this is the HELP forum might be better to move these posts the

discussion forum

[Ash2Dust]

Majority (86%) have at least half of the unlocks. Only a couple people dont have any unlocks. I would recommend spending a couple hours pubbing with their GC brothers and get the first AT and first medic unlock before the campaign starts. The generals can coordinate that also within their own team.

HCs from both sides could come together and plan on Thurs and Friday as Unlock training days until the hostilities start.

Also, Philor can help with this, we can allow all unlocks for all players on both servers now and not just the German?

I felt last campaign there wasnt enough oversight and direction. Now I feel there is some. Good, we have votes being implemented by Philor. We have Stony organizing all the unmotivated. Attacking a vote after it passes (for a 2nd time) seems to undo the organization and motivation. We need to give Philor and Stony support.

If theres a problem with the vote system, attack that, not each vote that comes out the gate. Especially since as far as I can tell, this vote hasnt been ignored nor the wording altered to a different meaning.

[DaGrooved1]

What kind of a FH2\Risksystem rebel would I be gave "the man" support? A very pathetic one, that's what.

[BRUMMIE]

Just to add some intellectual depth and constructive criticism to this debate: I think you are all daft.

[Titi]

@ Ghostly - hmm so maybe it takes more than just leaving the server and rejoining, as I suggested. Maybe you have to log out and re-log in your account or maybe even close the whole game and restart the game entirely.

@ phil - there may be some twist in my posts, sorry you interpreted that way.

@ Madrat - GC is about fun (and "fair" is a component of fun). Fun is subjective.
And I am told this matter was resolved in a straight forward, unambiguous way. Fun was voted on and now fun will be had.

@ Ash - good points. And plus reps for once again pointing out, that unlocks are not much of a play advantage and there really are only a couple that give much of an advantage and (as long as the person has not played some and picked the worst unlocks) the unlocks can quickly be achieved with a little pub play.
I would certainly join in pub play with the purpose of getting unlocks for unranked players.

[DaGrooved1]

I think you are all daft.

AND I MADE YOU A SIGNATURE!!!!

Fun was voted on and now fun will be had.

Yes sir, you heard him men, drop down and give me fun!

[BRUMMIE]

Doh, what I meant groovy was that everyone in the world is daft except for you. I just forgot that part.

[AngelOne]

Unlocks here, unlocks there it really does boil down to who has the most experience on BF2 (pubbing & GC). Playing vanilla in C4/C5, made it an even playing field for all. The way the players used thier weapons and their gained knowledge of the maps was the extra plus they could inject in to the squads, which brings me nicely on to why I'm posting my next comment.

How can we get the new players to join other GC members in Pubbing sessions (to get them thier unlocks) when a majority are too busy playing BF 2142? Just take a look at TS and see how many players are playing BF2, and how many players are playing other games in other channels. Will the players with unlocks have the advantage... YES but, we did have the chance to vote and I stand fully behind what the majority voted for. One last thought The people who voted for unlocks, are they the same members who have reached total weapon unlocks, and have enough experience in BF2 to wipe arse blindfolded, and are now just biding time playing 2142 because THEY don't need to practice

I don't honestly know what the answer is, but it's going to be interesting over the next few weeks. I look forward to the battles and will do what I can with whatever weapons I have at my disposal

[MadRat]

i dont have any unlocks and i dont want any unlocks thats one of the reasons i jioned GC fair play for all.

looks like i'm forced to go get some unlocks just so i can try to keep things fair for just me.

no thanks think i'll go somewere else thanks for some good camps

iv'e enjoyed my time at GC. BYE.

[Shrapnel]

You're leaving because of unlocks?

Unlocks are not that great. I have quite a few yet still mostly play with the base weapons because I prefer them. Unlocks don't give you anything more powerfull than the base weapons, they just change the behavior of the weapon. For instance you get better accuracy at the expense of damage and vise versa, or you give up mid-ranged fighting ability to have a lot of damage at close range.

The other guy having unlocks does not mean you are going to get owned constantly. It certainly isn't a reason to quit imo. I too would rather see them remain locked until we can set the server to have all unlocks available for everyone, but I'm not a votable atm.

You can always pick up the kit of the guy you just killed and get his weapon.

[MadRat]

leaving because of unlocks now that would be stupid.

i'm leaving because GC does not seem to stand for fair play any more.